There are many philosophies and attitudes that you can approach life with. Today I (JB Glossinger) will take you down the rabbit hole on today’s show to discuss what the difference is between Modern Stoicism and Spiritualism.
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Episode 2873: Modern Stoicism vs Spirituality | Are They Different?
[00:00:10] Good morning and welcome to Morning Coach today. I am so glad you’re with us. As you know, my name’s J.B. Glossinger, and this is your personal evolution system, the place to get your day started right. Welcome, welcome, welcome. And I’m so glad you’re with me today. So, we’re rockin’ and rollin’ and having some fun. I mean, just putting some great energy out there.
[00:00:36] And today we are ready to go after it and really talk about spirituality. And, I know, it’s kind of hard to go after it with spirituality, right? Because we’re working on our, kind of finding more peace. And, as you know, my, one of my favorite topics is to help you find more peace. You know, staying positive, finding peace, are really what’s about here and helping you manage your energy. And when we do those things, everything else in life gets a little bit better.
[00:01:00] Today, I want to talk just a little bit, get a little bit philosophical and go down a rabbit hole a little bit today on our spiritual day and talk about a concept that’s getting really hot out there and talk about two different ideas or philosophies or ways to live life. And that basically is spiritualism versus Stoicism. Now, the reason I’m getting a little bit deep today is because I have fun with this.
[00:01:25] As you may know- you might be new with me- you know, I, you know, I took this path of learning business and, you know, got to the top of the corporate train, running, running an aerospace company, and then I got off that path because I just couldn’t find peace in my life. And I went and found this place that I could kind of study and learn some nontraditional things, and I did a PhD in metaphysics. And part of that was really understanding religions, philosophies, just thought processes of why people believe they’re what, you know, what’s, why they’re here. You know? And that’s really what meta, the kind of, metaphysics is a study of being, the study of why we’re here. And so as I’ve studied this over the years, there are a couple different ways to have an attitude or a way of life towards living. OK?
[00:02:12] And two of those are spiritualism- which is really the way I live my life and I’ll get into it in a minute- and the other big one that’s getting huge is Stoicism. And the reason that I think it’s getting bigger and bigger is because this is, there’s a lot of New Thought leaders like Tim Ferris, who I consider a New Thought leader. He really was, was influenced by Seneca. Seneca is the, kind of the, the founder of Stoicism way back in Roman times, right? So, he really kind of got on this, this mode and became more of a Stoic because of the issues he was dealing with in his life. So, if you follow Tim at all, you know he battles depression. He’s had some real dark issues in his life and he’s found that living with this philosophy or this way has helped him. OK? And so, I want to go through these two, just so you kind of get an idea or an understanding. And you can use what you want from each of them, and you can kind of apply this to your life. OK?
[00:03:11] So, let’s get into this today and talk a little bit about this. And, basically, spiritualists are the ones that, you know, we, as a spiritualist, make sense of life by whatever is going to bring more comfort and joy, and that means that there is a belief in the esoteric that gives, gives a higher meaning. OK? So, everything happens for a reason. Like, you always hear me say that, right? That’s a spiritualist point of view. So, they really believe that things are happening for a reason, that the greater good is conspiring for you, that there is a spiritual component to this thing called life. And you can see how that can serve you. Right? Because you can be very positive in knowing that, you know, things are working for you and your experiences and that the reason that you’re living your life is because you’ve got this higher purpose and this higher calling.
[00:04:02] And, you know, the kind of the negative aspect of it is, sometimes in the spiritualist side of things, we tend to get a little bit, a little too open where we start to believe a little bit too much in people and things because we believe, obviously, it’s, you know, divine. Right? It’s, it’s driven for us. And it kind of gets us in trouble. I know it has me. But I really feel that, you know, everything happens for a reason in my life and that’s why I’ve had some of these negative experiences. But, with that being said, I’ve taken on a little of the Stoicism because you do have to have your filter up once in a while. And, like I said, sometimes the negative of being a spiritualist or somebody that believes in spirituality and spiritualism is you tend to just allow things to happen, and it can get in the way sometimes, even though you believe it’s supposed to be working that way. Right? And you have people that come into your life take advantage, etc, etc, because you’re open. You’re a spiritualist. You know, you’re going for comfort and joy, and you believe there’s a higher meaning. Right? And that’s what’s going on. And a lot of people at Morning Coach, that’s kind of the viewpoint or the philosophy they live by.
[00:05:10] Now, Stoics refuse to allow any experience to disturb their inner peace, and they just believe there’s no need to get excited. So, they really live in this place of almost tranquility and non-emotion. OK? So, the only issue with a Stoic is they live from non-emotion, so they don’t get too excited about anything, but the negative is they kind of resign to things. Because they’re like, “Oh, suffering, all these negative things are going to happen. So what? It’s not important. You can either get too excited or not too excited about it.” But you can see, if you’re battling, like, you know, depression or you’re battling some difficult situations in your life, you just don’t get too excited about it. It’s just life. You just keep moving forward. I’m not going to let it disturb my inner peace.
[00:05:56] So, in a sense, what I’ve kind of done in my life is I’ve kind of brought these two together because I like aspects of both. I am going to be emotional. I’m going to get excited and I’m going to be thankful. I am going to have gratitude from the spiritual side of me which is the way I normally am. Right? I get excited about everything. But at the end of the day, I’m not going to let too many things disturb my inner peace. And when it’s specifically negative, or at least the judgement is negative, at that time I’m going to be a little bit more of a Stoic. Right? So, Tim’s viewpoint on this is he really, really practices Stoicism, and he’s moved away from getting excited about anything or getting too emotional about anything and just allowing it to be. right? And it’s not going to disturb my inner peace. I’m going to stay calm and I’m not going to get too excited. I’m going to be more tranquil and live my life.
[00:06:45] But, again, so, the two negatives can kind of be outweighed by getting, by combining both of them. So the negative of spirituality is you just start to believe that anything is esoteric and you just kind of believe that, you know, everything has taken you on the path and it’s exciting, right? Even the negative experiences. It’s all part of it. And the negative of being a Stoic is you’re just like, “OK, whatever. I’m not going to let it disturb me. This happened.”
[00:07:08] Well, I think if you bring a little bit of them both together, then you can start setting goals. You can start living your life. And you don’t get too excited about the negative. You don’t get too excited when something bad happens. But you bring the spirituality in and you bring the emotion in when you need it. So, I know it’s kind of hard to do both of them, right? It’s hard to be a spiritualist and be a Stoic at the same time, but there is an aspect of both that you can have.
[00:07:32] And so, my job here at Morning Coach is to bring ideas and thoughts into your awareness. Right? And so as Thought Leaders bring things into the world, we’ve got to kind of feel what is working for us. So, 90% of the time, spirituality and spiritualism works really well for me. Right? And it works real well. And then the Stoic aspect of it works in other areas. So, that helps too. But really getting ourselves in a place where we can handle kind of both of them and work within the framework of them, it really, really helps us kind of dial in things.
[00:08:09] Now, there’s other aspects of this belief system, by the way. I’m talking about two of these on the, the spectrum of attitude and of the way people live in the population. And there are others. Like, there’s realism where people just, you know, live their life based on believing that things are just, realists, they, you know, they need facts. The more facts we know the better we can live. So, there’s, there’s cynics, people that are kind of negative. They challenge non-facts. There’s idealists who can really conceive of reality in the terms of the sense of great perfection, inherent possibilities, like truth is beauty, beauty is truth. And then there are skeptics who refuse to accept false ideas. So, when we look at it… and then there’s pragmatists who just take whatever information is useful right now and then move on. “That’s what I need.
[00:08:58] And if we look at kind of the scope of the population as I’m having this conversation, probably 75 to 80% are between realism, idealism, and pragmatism. Right? There’s a little bit of a sliver of people that are into cynicism and skepticism, about 10%. And about 10% of the population breaks down between spiritualism and Stoicism. So, really about 5% of the population live in this area of spiritualism that I’m talking about, and about 5% in Stoicism. But Stoics are growing. And, you know, realism and idealism and pragmatism is about 75.
[00:09:33] But where I would like you to be is to start to understand these ideas at little deeper, deeper area, a little deeper. You know, have some wisdom in this area and, specifically, in these two. Because I think in the personal development world, in what we do, like working to get, get better and get deeper and really have joy and peace and happiness in our life, these two are the two main kind of attitudes to take. And that’s why I believe you’re listening this because you’re hearing this message and you get this. You’re a little different than the 75-80% of the majority of people out there, and you get the idea that things are a little bit more spiritual and deep, or you get the idea that I don’t have to get so emotionally attached to things. I’m just going to continue to grow and develop and stay positive and allow things to happen.
[00:10:19] So, I just want you to understand that as you go out and you start hearing about Stoicism which is growing, you start hearing about spiritualism, you start hearing about some of these different ideas and thoughts and really understand it from a macro level, so you can be aware of kind of where you’re at with things.
[00:10:36] Again, my personal belief is the greater good is conspiring for me. It serves me. Right? I don’t judge things; I live my life kind of in a spiritual aspect which is about what 5% of the population believes. And, I set goals. If it doesn’t happen, it’s OK. Things were supposed to happen like that. I continue to move forward and actually take on kind of a Stoic idea when things don’t occur the way they’re supposed to because I’m not going to get too emotional about it. I’m not going to get too, you know, sad or down. I’m just going to keep living. But then I jump into spiritualism and I say, hey, the greater good is going to conspire for me, and that keeps my energy level up. It keeps the positivity there, and it really serves my belief system that I live with.
[00:11:17] And so, I want you to find your own. Again, you know, I think it’s so critical to repeat this here at Morning Coach consistently that I’m here to open you up. Like, I’m not here to bring you into a certain mindset. There’s enough of that behavior out in the world. Right? Morning Coach is about opening you up to new ideas and finding your way, your pathway. All of this is an individual experience that is combined through collective consciousness, meaning your experience is different than anybody else’s in this universe. Right? And so, we, but, but we’re connected energetically, so even though you’re having, you know, an experience different than everybody else, you’re still connected to the whole. So, as we start to understand that from a very deep perspective, we can start to create our own identity, our own philosophy, our own way of living, which I think is so important.
[00:12:08] I know that, you know, a lot of the contemporary governments, a lot of the contemporary religions have really let us down in finding peace and joy and happiness and order. And, really, I believe that by coming together, by having an open mind, being a little bit higher-conscious and a little more intellectual, letting your brain work- and that’s why, you know, so many people here at Morning Coach are so smart. It’s, and why you listen. I mean, we have, you know, the people that come here are just, just, it’s crazy. It’s awesome. You know, I’m just honored. I’m not the smartest person in the room, that’s for sure, with all the Morning Coach people- but it’s about understanding our path and our drive. And as we bring more joy and happiness and we kind of find our philosophy, whether it’s spiritualism, Stoicism, realism, pragmatism, whatever it is, but it works for you to be more positive and bring you peace and joy and happiness, we create those ripples in society that make a big difference in the things that are happening out there.
[00:13:05] And so, your job is to kind of figure out what works for you. What is the way that you live your life? And the great thing about life is, it can change. Things can change. You know? Maybe there’s one day where I kind of shift from the greater good conspiring for me to something else. At this point, no. That’s my belief system. I’m happy with it, and it works for me. But, in life, we are moving. We’re dynamic. We’re not static. And so, we always got to be filling our brain with wonderful things to think about. New possibilities. That’s why I say there’s absolutely no reason in the world to be bored.
[00:13:36] You know, I look at some of the things that are happening in the world today, and I think just people have too much time on their hands and they’re not being introspective and finding things that are going to bring them peace and joy and so they’re doing external things to try to bring that which is just temporary. You know, it’s like a buzz, like drinking a, you know, a vodka and tonic or whatever, three or four of them. They go out there and protest or do something and then it wears off, and they got to find something else. Where the work that we’re doing together here is deep work that’s going to last forever. And so, I really want you to think about that.
[00:14:05] So, your homework today is kind of look at Stoicism- you can google it- look at spiritualism and kind of feel where you at in the spectrum. Kind of, what is your thought process? And I would love to hear from you on that. OK? I’m going to bring you more of this. You know, we’re going to be doing some stuff in the Morning Coach portal. You know, we’ve finished ILD, that course, Week 6 is coming, all the videos are coming for Week 6 on Monday. And I’m going to be bringing you a new course. I’m going to take a couple of weeks off, and I’m going to bring you another course that’s going to be awesome. But I’m going to keep getting a little bit deeper in helping you in some of these areas because I really feel that this is going to help you kind of connect with yourself and the way you go and the way you work and help you find that energy and that peace, which is so important. All right?
[00:14:51] So, your homework is just kind of look at these things. Go google what a Stoic is so you understand it. Google spiritualism so you understand what that is. So stoicism and spiritualism. Feel a little bit deeper into it and kind of feel your vibe and where do you fit in this whole thing. OK?
[00:15:06] So, get out there, have a great one. I love you. I do. Tomorrow. we start a whole ‘nother week. All right? We get to get organized and structured. We’re going to be talking about getting a little more positive again, even though we talked about attitude this week. Next week’s gonna be about overall positivity, so I can’t wait to get with you and help you just do that day in and day out. And remember, you can subscribe on iTunes. That helps us. Please leave reviews and ratings. Share this. Let’s get this message out to the world. That’s my focus right now is helping as many people as possible. And by you being here and doing those things, you’re really making a difference and I appreciate you for that. OK? So, go have a great day, and I will be back with more right here tomorrow to get your day started right on morningcoach.com.